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Frequently Asked Questions

Following are questions which have been asked of us over the years by prospective clients. Most of the questions are related to 1½D Close Radius Pipe Bending and Lap Joint Flaring. APEX Piping Systems Specifications ES-7 and ES-8 should be consulted when reviewing these FAQs

 

· 1½D Close Radius Pipe Bends:

1. How does the quality of 1½D Close Radius Pipe Bends relate to welded fittings?

Answer: The following factors go into producing high quality 1½D pipe bends in which wall thinning is held to a maximum of 18% of the actual pipe wall, Out of Roundness shall not exceed 5%, and where minimal wrinkling is evident on the inside of the bend:

1. The pipe material which we use is of the highest quality and is a "Full Finished / Bending Quality" material. We specify A-587 ERW for Carbon Steel, and A-312 Types 304/304L and 316/316L material which meets DuPont Standard SW41M where the material is manufactured and available. When using other materials, proper selection of material to be bent is important.

2. The pipe is totally encapsulated in tooling.

3. The tooling is high quality, and well maintained.

4. The benders which we use are outfitted with Hydraulic Boosters which help produce a better quality of bend.

The end result is a bend that is visually as appealing as a weld fitting manufactured to ANSI B16.9. The noticeable difference is the elimination of the two (2) butt welds on the bent piece. The wall thickness of a Factory- Made Wrought Steel Buttweld elbow fitting shall be not less than 87.5% of the nominal thickness. Out of Roundness for an elbow fitting in pipe sizes 4" and smaller can range from a maximum of 2½% to 10½% depending on pipe size.

2. What is the typical amount of outer fiber wall thinning?

Answer: The maximum wall thinning for 1½D bends to 90° is 18%. It is measured by the difference between the actual thickness of the pipe, and the minimum thickness on the outside of the bend. The Hydraulic Boosted bending process described above helps to minimize the amount of wall thinning.

The "typical" wall thinning which we experience depends on size, schedule, and material type. A historical review of the APEX Piping Systems "Bender Set-Up" log book and our experience is that wall thinning of a 1½D bend usually runs between 14% to 16%. Once a bender is set up, there usually is little deviation from these results, and all bends are visually inspected as part of our in-process QC program. APEX Piping Systems will also develop a specific QC inspection procedure for our clients if they would require it on a project.

3. Are bends done hot or cold?

Answer: All 1½D pipe bends in Carbon and Stainless Steel are cold formed.

4. If cold, does plastic strain damage mechanical properties or corrosion resistance?

Answer: The stress intensification factor for pipe bends is equal to that for an elbow fitting. As a general rule the amount of stress or corrosion cracking experienced from bending is similar to that produced by a butt weld. Therefore, if you are required based upon the service to anneal the welds, you should also anneal the bends. This is also assuming that the material selected is correct for the service conditions.

5. Are any post-fabrication heat treatments required?

Answer: Post-Bend heat treatment is not normally required. However, the type of service may require heat treatment.

 

· "Van Stone" or "Lap Joint" Flaring:

1. What are the pressure / temperature ratings of flared lap joints?

Answer: Flared laps are not to be used with 400# or higher rated back up flanges. A flared lap is suitable for Normal Fluid Service per paragraph 306.4.2 of ASME B31.3.

2. Are the lap joints allowed "by code"?

Answer: As stated above, flared laps are allowed per ASME B31.3, paragraph 306.4.2 for Normal Fluid Service.

3. Are Flared Laps a Type "A", "B", or "C"?

Answer: The designation of a stub-end being a Type "A", "B", or "C" relates to how the fitting is manufactured, dimension of the fitting, and the type of back up flange used. Following is a description of all three (3) types:

Type "A" - For use with Lap Joint Flanges. Manufactured by either being forged and machined, machined from bar, or by welding a ring on the end of a piece of pipe and machined to the final dimension. Type "A" stub ends have a square inside corner, and a radius behind the lap, hence the need to use a lap joint flange as a back up.

Type "B" - Manufactured in the same general manner as a Type "A", but the Type "B" does not have a radius behind the lap. The back face is machined square, thus requiring a Slip-On flange as the back up.

Type "C" - Same general dimensions of both a Type "A" and "B" stub end. This fitting is manufactured by inserting the end of a piece of pipe into a flanging machine and roll forming the end of the piece of pipe to form a ring perpendicular to the pipe axis. The forming operation will leave a rounded edge at the I.D. of the lap as well as a short fillet radius behind the lap. Back up flanges can be either Lap Joint, Chamfered Slip- on, or plate flange.

APEX Piping Systems, in addition to forming these laps onto the ends of pipe lengths to form bent and flared piping systems, is a commercial manufacturer of Type "C" stub ends.

We might also add that if your company has specified the use of any Teflon™ lined carbon steel pipe and fittings over the years, flared laps have been used quite frequently by many of the manufacturers in this industry for their pipe spools, and flanged fittings which they market. (90° elbows with the rotating back up flanges are very popular).

4. How are they made? Do techniques vary shop-to-shop? Do we have to qualify the flaring process to assure adequate quality for the lap?

Answer: There are several different manufactures of flanging equipment available to perform this specific operation. This process was developed in the mid-1960's as part of an in-house project by the E.I. DuPont de Nemours and Company in an effort to reduce pipe fabrication and plant construction costs. The rolling process to manufacture a flared lap is generally the same, regardless of the equipment manufacturer. Some manufacturers of commercial Type "C" stub ends are using equipment which forms the lap by using a press operation. On fabricated piping projects, flared laps are 100% visually inspected as part of the normal in-process inspections. Go/ No Go gauges can also be used to check dimensional conformance. Other N.D.E. (such as Dye Penetrant) of the flared lap can be performed if desired by the client.

 

· Metallurgical Effects of Lap Joint Flaring:

1. Are flared laps done hot or cold?

Answer: Most flared laps are cold formed, however in some cases the pipe schedule and material type requires that the flared lap is hot formed. As a general rule, A587 Carbon Steel, most Stainless Steels, and High Alloy materials are cold formed. A53 and A106 Grades of Carbon Steel are hot formed.

2. If cold flared, does plastic strain damage mechanical properties or corrosion resistance?

Answer: The flaring operation is a more severe fabrication operation than bending. Some of the factors that go into the production of high quality pipe bends, also should be followed in the production of flared laps. Tooling should be of high quality and well maintained. Of greater importance, is the need to procure pipe material which is of a high quality. This also assumes that the material selected is correct for the service conditions.

3. Are any post-fabrication heat treatments required?

Answer: Heat treatment of flared laps is not normally required.

4. Do we want serrated gasket surfaces?

Answer: In most cases flared laps for fabricated piping projects are provided with a smooth face. The serrated finishes provided by APEX Piping Systems on flared laps is more applicable to commercial Type "C" stub ends than on elaborate piping assemblies due to additional handling requirements.

 

· Commercial Issues:

1. Who uses high quality bends and lap joint flaring in lieu of conventional fabrication techniques?

Many manufacturers within the Chemical and Fluid Processing Industries have incorporated the use of both flaring and bending into their engineering standards. Following is a partial list of some manufacturers:

DuPont Monsanto Rohm & Haas

Union Carbide Dow Chemical Hercules, Inc.

Bayer Procter & Gamble PPG Industries

Amoco Merck & Co. Johnson Wax

2. Who makes high quality bends and lap joints?

Answer: APEX Piping Systems is a leading manufacturer and shop fabricator of piping who has the capability to perform both close radius bending and flaring of pipe.

3. Is the A587 carbon steel grade readily available?

Answer: Yes, A587 is readily available from several producers, both domestic and foreign.

 

· Design Considerations:

1. Shall we use 1½D radius bends exclusively to make piping design dimensions exactly the same as for normal long radius fittings? Or should we consider longer radius bends, e.g. 3D, in an attempt to use more standard materials ?

Answer: APEX Piping Systems routinely works from design drawings in which long radius weld fittings are specified, and in which bending has been substituted. The secret to maximizing the cost effectiveness of a bent and flared piping system is to follow the minimum forming dimensions shown on page 4 of our specification ES-7. The APEX Piping Systems Sales and Engineering departments are available to assist you in design of your bent and flared piping system

The use of 3D pipe bends will require additional design considerations.

2. Do we really eliminate enough welds to realize significant savings? Are the favorable cost considerations of a bent & flared piping system negated by the need for field welds to adjust for field tolerance problems, wall & floor penetrations or shipping limitations?

Answer: The favorable cost consideration of a shop fabricated bent and flared piping system should be compared to a shop fabricated conventional welded piping system only.

In either case above, decisions will have to be made with respect to location of field welds, and wall & floor penetrations. The normal shipping envelope for all shop fabricated piping is 40' X 8' X 8'.

It is also important to remember that you are not only eliminating two (2) butt welds, but you are eliminating other labor operations, (such as pipe cuts, and bevels) but also the purchase of the elbow fitting, and additional N.D.E. such as Radiography.

3. What are the benefits of shop fabrication over field fabrication?

Answer: It has been proven that shop fabrication of piping is infinitely more cost effective than field fabrication. In addition, shop conditions also lead to a much higher quality of fabrication as opposed to field fabrication due to the fact that all conditions can be controlled, and better equipment and weld processes are available.

4. What are the cost savings associated with using a bent & flared system relative to welded fittings in Carbon Steel? How about in Stainless Steel?

Answer: The cost savings associated with using a bent and flared system vs. a conventionally welded system will be greater in the stainless steel, and high alloy projects as compared to a carbon steel project. The cost savings will not only be evident on the labor side, but should also be evident on the material side through the elimination of fittings. Generally, we have experienced cost savings of 20 to 40% when comparing a bent and flared system to a conventional system.